You still have to naturalize karma

Karin Meyers’s work on the “damned topics” of Buddhist philosophy is most powerful on the topic of rebirth. Because that’s the place where there’s actually some reasonably powerful evidence for the “damned topic”. Where I think she goes too far with that evidence is in the title of her unpublished paper on the topic, which is “Against naturalizing Buddhism”. I think we need to naturalize – that is, to put in non-supernatural terms – one of Buddhism’s most important ideas, namely karma. And I think we need to do that even if the evidence convinces us that rebirth is real.

Let’s talk about that evidence. The University of Virginia medical school’s Division of Perceptual Studies, founded by Ian Stevenson and continued by Jim Tucker, has studied over 2500 cases where children claim to have memories which seem to follow the lives of documented people who lived before them. These cases are at least, as Stevenson noted in his first book title, suggestive that some elements of consciousness, at least memory, can transfer from one human life to another.

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Now I haven’t had the time to examine Stevenson’s cases in meaningful detail. Evan Thompson – whose research to date has focused far more than mine on the nature of consciousness – has, and so I have tended to trust him when (in my debate with him) he quoted his Waking, Dreaming, Being on the topic:

Although Stevenson’s presentation of these cases often makes for compelling reading, all the evidence is anecdotal and derived from interviews where there is a large amount of room for false memory and after-the-fact reconstruction. The interviews weren’t conducted directly with the children when they first reported the memory, but only some time later, so there had been plenty of time for the child to assimilate information gotten from family members and to repeat it as if it were his or her experience. And sometimes the children weren’t interviewed at all; only family members were. Finally, it’s hard to know how to assess whether a memory report about a past life exceeds chance probability, and critics have pointed to a number of serious flaws in Stevenson’s statistical reasoning. For these reasons, I don’t find Stevenson’s evidence convincing, though it does seem possible in principle to investigate claims of past life memories using scientific methods (p. 290, with endnote references deleted).

Where Meyers’s “Against” piece is particularly interesting is noting how Tucker’s more recent research (discussed in his article in the volume Consciousness Unbound, published in 2021 after my exchange with Thompson above) attempts to respond to these criticisms. Citing that work, Meyers notes:

As for the charge that the cases are anecdotal, to be sure, the information is derived from interviews, but to deny this as a valid means of investigation is in effect to deny the possibility of investigating the phenomenon at all (as well as many other more conventional phenomena). As early as 2000, efforts were made to code the data and rate the strength of cases (precisely to rule out conventional explanations). As of 2021, 2200 of the cases have been digitized and coded according to 200 variables. In respect to the charge that there is a “large amount of room for false memory and after-the-fact reconstruction,” reinvestigation of cases demonstrated that they grew weaker instead of stronger over time, cases with no written records had the same percentage of accurate statements as those with contemporaneous notes on the child’s statements (though the latter had more statements), and the initial positive attitude of the parents about the case did not correlate to the strength of the case—all of which would be contrary to expectation if the strength of the cases was due to false memory and after the fact reconstruction. Since the advent of the internet and a higher profile for the research, it is easier to collect statements from the children before the previous personality has been identified, and to do controlled tests with photographs once the personality has been identified.

This response was enough to give me pause. So too a point Meyers mentioned to me in person: that many of these cases recall relatively mundane lives, of farmers and the like – as opposed to the far less believable accounts found in adult past-life regression therapies where people recall being something more glamorous like a war hero or a princess. I don’t think this is nearly enough to say with any confidence that rebirth is what’s causing these cases – we still don’t have a mechanism suggested of how that could happen, and how it would square with other evidence that has so far suggested consciousness is always tied to a single body. But I’m also finding it a lot harder to rule rebirth out as an explanation. Colour me at least somewhat agnostic – not a principled agnosticism, just not knowing what exactly to do with the evidence. (I looked online expecting to find refutations of these cases, and found a lot more ignoring of them than refuting.)

But let’s now get to the takeaway that I find most important and interesting in all of this – one entirely compatible with this agnosticism. I have worked a lot on developing a conception of karma that is naturalized. That is: karma – the idea that good actions lead us to better lives – in traditional Buddhist texts depends on rebirth, and perhaps other even more supernatural forms of causality. (This is not what the Sanskrit word “karma(n)” means, but it is what “karma” means when the term is used in English.)The concept of karma is at the heart of the thought of Śāntideva, the Buddhist thinker I’ve learned the most from; it’s very hard to think with Śāntideva and not have some conception of karma. And so I’ve spent a great deal of time on this blog over the years articulating a concept of karma that is understandable in natural-scientific terms, as eudaimonistic and psychological: briefly, that our morally good actions create good psychological habits that generally lead to happier and more satisfying lives than we would otherwise have. (I’ll soon be publishing a refereed chapter on this point in an edited volume on race, caste, and karma.)

And the key point I want to stress is: to think as Buddhists today we would still need a conception of karma that is naturalized in something like this way, even if Stevenson’s and Tucker’s research did prove the existence of rebirth!

Why? In the words of the anthropologist Gananath Obeyesekere, traditional Buddhist rebirth is “ethicized”: a morally good past life leads to a materially better future life, and vice versa for bad. And crucially, the rebirth suggested by Stevenson’s and Tucker’s research is not ethicized! Nothing in their cases suggests that people’s moral conduct in previous lives had anything to do with the material conditions of their current ones. Indeed, Meyers told me, Tucker explicitly denies that there is any such ethicized element in these cases.

That is to say that the kind of rebirth suggested by Stevenson’s and Tucker’s research does not involve karma. Even if they’re right that this shows rebirth is really happening, that does not get you at all closer to the motivating power of karma in classical Buddhist texts – where you have reason to do good actions because they will ripen as better circumstances in a previous life.

And so, even if Stevenson and Tucker are right and rebirth happens the way they suggest it does, you still need a naturalized concept of karma to make an ethics like Śāntideva’s work. Our good and bad actions don’t give us better or worse circumstances in future lives; rather, what they do is form good and bad habits that make our lives better or worse in this one.

Indeed, I note Meyers claims that Stevenson’s and Tucker’s evidence is “strongly suggestive of some kind of transfer of memory and sometimes also phobias, preferences, interests, skills, and body morphology from the deceased to the child”. If psychological traits like “phobias, preferences, interests” do transfer from deceased to child, then that is one way karma could carry on across lives and make future lives better: that is, the good psychological habits that make our lives karmically better in this life, in a naturalized way, might in fact be the one way that karma does work across life to life and birth to birth. Those Aristotelian habits would be exactly what carries over.

7 Replies to “You still have to naturalize karma”

  1. Thanks, Amod, this is a very interesting summary of the status quo of research. And thanks also for opening the discussion of “damned topics” (something which could be repeated in other domains of Sanskrit philosophy, although perhaps less strikingly, since it’s Buddhism which has gained the reputation of being “scientific”).

    • Thanks! Yes, the application to other Indian philosophies would likely take a different form, since it’s less clear how (or if) they are getting applied constructively – at least in the West. (I do wonder how philosophers are thinking about this topic in modern India.)

  2. Amod, you do artfully capture the double negative logic (without which not) of scientific research, and gracefully recognize the same attainment in your opponent. That leaves the question of interpreting a positive result, famously the Copenhagen moment in quantum theory, and addressed in the contemporary philosophy through Hume.

    But now your Aristotelian attributes strictly require a subject identified as a substantive individual, which Buddhism seems not to admit. And Hume’s pioneering utilitarian naturalism falls awkwardly apart between association of ideas and connexions in perception on the one hand; and on the other, comparison of attributes in rational reflection.

    Hume studies are now back with this problem. And in India right now the philosophical note is struck by yoga teacher Dr Varun Veer, son of an Ayurvedic physician, and now settled into the diplomatic quarter in Delhi, while speaking of a tradition reaching back over 10 000 years, to the Anatolian orTurkish heartlands of the Neolithic.

  3. Thank you for bringing this topic and very thoughtful and enriching response. The naturalisation project is based on an assumption that all that can be known can be known literally or in the sense of propositions. Why can’t we be okay with the fact that certain things cannot be known and expressed in the manner that literal thought would want us to do? This seems to be the problem with contemporary philosophy working with modernist assumptions. The works of Vervaeke and McGilchrist have pointed out the possibility of the non-literal ways of knowing. I think the more important question to consider is then what are some of the other ways to verify the damned topics beyond the usual naturalistic frame. This may get us back to the traditional epistemology that challenges the assumption that reason and experience understood in modernist sense are supreme ways of knowledge. This is a question that philosophers need to be open to. But unfortunately it is often treated as though its a settled issue. As Mayers pointed out, we need to engage with these topics from participatory perspective. However, there is a tendency to dismiss participatory engagement as getting into faith or getting conditioned while not giving enough attention to the limitations of contemporary practice of doing philosophy. So another question to consider simultaneously pertains to the pitfalls of contemporary practice of western philosophy across analytic and continental divide. If we think that the manner of philosophising based on these traditions is enough then that’s it. Then obviously naturalisation or relativism (broadly in term of continental tradition) are the only two options available for us.

    • This is getting more and more interesting. Please, can you share some essential references on non-literal ways of knowing and the participatory perspective?

  4. Participant observation is an established method in social anthropology, but the classic works of Margaret Mead are now over a century old, and speak to Pacific experience rather than Indic. For our time Ken Wilbur set out to show the way, but tripped over an ancient streek of naturalism from his first Hindu teachers, in the image of a self formed from sheathes like the bud of a flower. Amod’s image of flourishing seems to me to share the same weakness.

    Already in ancient debates contesting the Adhyatma doctrine of a transcendental self, the Samkhya critics fall back on a dualism of Person and Nature, found highly problematic by modenising academics. The subtle body of speech in the grammatical philosophers captures the tone of an individual’s voice, but that’s now in the range of sound engineering, through AI.

    Here I find the notion of *comparable entering through the Yoga-sutra (III.12 & 53), as *tulya, from the root ✓tul, to compare. Also the functional suffix -asya, *that which, as can signify the self in a context of purposeful action; as now in Alex’s thread here. This same context informs Kant’s Third Critique, on Judgement, where it serves him to recover some of the idealism of Leibniz through teleology. When modenists refuse that kind of move, they simply loose the trail.

    Meanwhile the ground of natural science is shifting beneath our feet. On Arxiv recently I found notice of a first optical signature of the Higgs field acting in cold space, drawing on ephemeral superconductivity (from inside the proton) to amplify passing signals. That’s formally outside the range of what a hundred years earlier was defined as causality (due to non-Hermitian operators). So it’s definitely time to can Hume’s rant against miracles, and notice C. S. Peirce in his place.

  5. Hi Javier! I found my way thru Roy Willis ~ Man and Beast, now all over webside. A collection of essays on Kant and the Faculty of Feeling [Kelly Sorenson & Diane Williamson] was published by Cambridge University Press in 2018. Galen in Imperial Rome claimed for his medicine the legacy of Plato on the tripartite soul, echoed by Kant.

    Yet as a physician Galen admitted no assumptions concerning the soul; and then found in clinical practice that “the disorders of the mind follow the temperaments of the body,” in the fourfold pattern discerned by Aristotle in the four elements as transformed by heat and moisture. The old Pythagorean enigma of odds and evens thus intruded, and so Kant’s legacy passed down as a new enigma into the era of classical thermodynamics and physics.

    Meanwhile, Hume’s Treatise combined three natural and four philosophical relations; against the background of the Yoga Sutra combining three strands of Samkhya naturalism with a fourfold account of discernment (viveka), which importantly carries Patanjali’s argument to the close (YS II.26, 28; III.52, 54; IV.26, 29). Viveka is taught in the raja yoga tradition, as insight with compassion, that is not simply judgemental or polarizing ~ so touching sides with Buddhist ideas. There the teachers do the books.

  6. “Our good and bad actions don’t give us better or worse circumstances in future lives; rather, what they do is form good and bad habits that make our lives better or worse in this one.”

    I do not get the argument being made for naturalization of karma.
    The Noble Eightfold Path is for this life. In the Four Noble Truths, there is no “goad” of karma. The teaching is meant to help one end dukkha. The eightfold path to inculcate “good habits” is for this life.
    Sure, the paticca-samuppada assumes a prior existence of ignorance, but the explanations of tanha and bhava etc can be in one life.
    Can Buddhist belief in multi-life karma not stand on its own and be taken for what it is, what is being stated?
    Vedāntins also have belief in transmigration of the soul. For that there is a purificatory process, in this life, citta shuddhi or something like that.
    Sure, there is the multi-life, multi-level process of the bodhisattva path, but you can start with the ethical foundations now, in this life.
    Thanks for stirring this important topic!

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